Let’s not forget before we all become monkish devotees of midnight and aconite, what the great American psychologist, William James once correctly observed: ‘the deepest principle of human nature is the craving to be appreciated’. But as Mr. Yankevich rightly writes, we should pay no heed to empty praise, nor even any praise at all. Why shouldn’t I? Bloomington, IN. Diss., University of Oslo. But, from the time of its publication, opinions have differed about the completeness of Alcaeus fr. Martin, R. 1989. For example, sixteen of Pindar’s epinicians begin with cult hymns. Rösler, W. 1980. Sappho's pre-eminent reputation as an artist of lyricism and love is based on only three complete poems, 63 complete single lines and up to 264 fragments. [21] In the priamel in Theognis 699–718, the foils—heroes and mythical figures—are concise and unnarrated, with one exception, Sisyphus. Gonis, N., et al., eds. In fr. One would expect Sappho, then, to return from Tithonus to her present situation, and one notes in lines 23–24 of the Oxyrhynchus papyrus present tenses which would indicate a return to the present time of the enunciation. Andersen, Ø. Canter 1933 might be useful for purposes other than mine. Bernsdorff, H. 2005. 1980. I’ve published translations of Sappho and Ibykos fragments by Mike Burch on thechainedmuse.com. Stehle, this volume, n3, takes the twelve lines of the new Sappho as a complete poem. Trans. Gronewald and Daniel 2004b:3-4. [ back ] 10. Thank you and thanks to everyone for your honest evaluations; honesty is key, whether good or bad. She knows something that they didn’t know. wishing a better, Fate than theirs, and all that I’ve lost with living Greek Lyric I. Cambridge MA. Here is a line of Horace. Eos and Tithonus (inscribed Tinthu or Tinthun) provided a pictorial motif that was inscribed on Etruscan bronze hand-mirrorbacks, or cast in low relief. 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The announcement of the Tithonus poem was the subject of international news coverage, and was described by Marylin Skinner as “the trouvaille of a lifetime”. With καὶ νῶϊ one can compare νῦν δá½² κ[ἄμοι in Sappho fr. Alcaeus fr. I did learn a lot about our language from such an experiment; but in the long run I found such half-hearted attempts of writers, like Shaw and Pound, even Noah Webster, rather quirky crackpot concoctions, and greater writers, like Spenser and Tennyson, disappointing. rising and falling.”. 2005. [ back ] 33. It begins á½ ς λόγος and it ends by rounding off the synkrisis without an application of the myths. For one thing, typing in Greek is non-trivial for me, and I would fear making a mistake or formatting error. Janko 2005. Meyerhoff, D. 1984. Penelope’s myth illustrates something else. Thus, some have questioned whether these four lines belong to the Tithonus Poem (Janko; cf. [ back ] 14. He does not distinguish between kletic hymn and prayer. uprooting oaks. It is unclear, however, why his practice in one epode (13) and four odes (1.7; 1.8; 3.11; 3.27) is probative for Aeolic monody. “Sappho Fr. once upon a time, they could lift me leaping Braswell, B. K. 1971. Weil called them “strophes” and also spoke of responsion. Hold you little girls to the gifts of violet muses. The poem depicts the suffering of the immortal Tithonus who unfortunately despite having been granted immortal life was not blessed with immortal youth with it. * Tithonus was married to Eos/Aurora, goddess of the dawn, who pleaded with Zeus to make Tithonus immortal, but forgot to ask for eternal youth. [ back ] 23. That is so true, and those who think not generally tend to deceive themselves and their own motives. Rawles, R. 2006. Surprisingly, Tithonus never calls his lover by name, although he addresses her throughout the poem. Who seriously praises Swinburne in 21st century poetics? Although my ability to actually read such languages as Classical Latin (as distinguished from Liturgical Latin), Classical Greek (as distinguished from Koine, or New Testament Greek), German, French, Russian, Polish, etc. In a sympotic context, the point of the exemplum is so clear that it is perhaps more effective if left unexpressed: as even Atalanta yielded, so you will yield to me. Thanks for your comment! I will also discuss the narrated mythical exemplum in speeches in Homer, for reasons to be explained later. 1992. Amsterdam. [20] Pittacus is referred to in line 47. See Race 1992:28 and n49 on the term “kletic hymn,” which could also be used of Sappho fr. [31], Much research has been devoted to narrated mythical exempla in Homer, which are customarily referred to as “paradeigmata.” [32] Scholars have classified them in various ways, discussed their functions, and the distortions or inventions which appear in the myths themselves. Rome. As you predicted, I don’t agree with your scanscion of the English here. “Neue Lieder der Sappho und des Alkaios.” Wiener Studien 36.201–243. Nagy 1973:177: “As a coda to this poem, the last two verses amount to a personal and artistic manifesto.”, [ back ] 41. Best to you and your efforts. “The New Sappho: ἔφαντο (9).” Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik 156:23–26. listless, left to pluck at a cat gut string, sings, This fragment, from a scholiast on Iliad 3.168, runs: “Day (῾Ημέρα) fell in love with Tithonus, son of Laomedon, brother of Priam, by whom she had a son Memnon, and, after she had regaled him with a long life, she changed him into a cicada.” One has to agree with Jacoby 1957:466: “mehr als die genealogie wird H nicht gehörchen.” The scholiast offers not an alternate version of the myth but nonsense. The examples most relevant to the question of the mythical exemplum in the new Sappho are Aphrodite’s precedents for her union with Anchises: Tros (Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite 200–217) and Tithonus (Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite 218–238). Hypomnemata 62. ἔγω δὲ φίλημμ’ ἀβροσύναν, …     ] τοῦτο καί μοι West on Hesiod Theogony 22. What ought to be in concluding lines is some kind of self-consolation, as the first editors of the “New Sappho” thought. But, the older, thematically arranged Cologne papyrus substitutes a non-Sapphic poem mentioning Orpheus. [ back ] 3. I love the way sound presents in sapphics much like the sounds of: “Caught Up In A Silk Tornado Cloud” published in The Pennsylvania Review recently. [ back ], [ back ] 20. Icy water babbles through apple branches and roses leave shadow on the ground and bright shaking leaves pour down profound sleep. [ back ] 31. Beauty clings for love of a sweet clear lyre, like Maronitis, D. N. 2004. To me, however, there are just so many other issues at hand—most importantly, being relevant in the New Millennium—that I just can’t follow that option, at least at the moment. In my opinion, Pindar is the wrong place in which to look. 1996. Review of M. M. Willcock, Pindar Victory Odes: Olympians 2, 7 and 11, Nemean 4, Isthmians 3, 4 and 7 (Cambridge 1995). The Society does not endorse any views expressed in individual poems or comments and reserves the right to remove any comments to maintain the decorum of this website and the integrity of the Society. Loeb Classical Library. [ back ] 9. All references to Sappho and Alcaeus are to Voigt’s edition. filtered by storm clouds. Martin 1989:37 (muthoi are public; performance before an audience); 160 (“performance” a more inclusive term for “speeches”); 225 (historical basis of the speeches: “performance of self”). Thanks David. Someone might say that the closing petition is obligatory in a prayer and therefore has no bearing on the question of how the “New Sappho,” which is not a prayer, ended. The discoveries of new poems by Sappho in 2004 and 2014 excited both scholarly and media attention. It seems necessary, however, to point out that reliance on Hellanicus fr. It requires an ear and ten fingers plus a toe. [33] The same is true of the few paradeigmata in the Homeric Hymns, one of which happens to be about Tithonus. Note that, in each of these poems, Horace concludes not with narrative, as a twelve-line “New Sappho” would conclude, but with quotation of a character in the narrative, whose words directly or indirectly make the point that Horace wishes to make. Figueira, T., and G. Nagy, eds. Howie, J. G. 1977. Rösler’s own arguments for incompleteness: 224–227; 233–235 (would have been ten strophes long). Just realized the thread puts the responses a bit out of order. Studi e Testi di Papirologia n.s. ἀγήραον ἄνθρωπον ἔοντ’ οὐ δύνατον γένεϲθαι. See Rösler 1980:223 and n269 for references. [19] The fourth and last example from Alcaeus is fr. The deductive form of his or her argument, of the modus ponens type, is not the usual one in discussion amongst classicists, but it happens to be convenient for illustrating what I consider a mistaken point of view. The word “mythical” refers to traditional stories about gods and heroes. The use of mythical exempla in Athenian oratory has been seen as continuous with the practice of the Homeric heroes: Gotteland 2001:11. Rivals or those who reject her approaches provoke violent hostility, as may be seen in poems 55 and 158. There are those, like West, who say that it is an amalgam of two poems; there are those who say that it is a single, complete poem. 42, and one would have to say that it is a parallel not to a twelve-line “New Sappho” but to the problem of a twelve-line “New Sappho.” [16] Even if Alcaeus fr. 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